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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Oct 16, 2008 6:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Weir Peak?

What is your opinion on Bobby's peak as a guitar player? Jerry used to say Bobby was always inventing something that had already been invented. He was always the little brother to slap around and pick on. Jerry and Phil wanted to kick him out of the band in 68. He finally came around with some decent playing. My ears hear 77. Please spare me the "best is yet to come".

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 16, 2008 7:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Weir Peak?

1963.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Oct 17, 2008 9:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Weir Peak?

Is that 3 supposed to be an 8

Pray Tell Mr. Tell

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Poster: Rings&Bells Date: Oct 16, 2008 7:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Weir Peak?

Whoa! Going two full years before the formation of GD just to be sure.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 16, 2008 7:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Weir Peak?

Sorry--that was tongue in cheek to be sure...

I did think that Bob reached his peak for singing in 70-71, and went down hill from there. Playing wise, I am just not competent to judge, but certainly came to appreciate his leads on various numbers by the early 70s. Suppose that for song-writing, with Barlow, I might pick the early 70s?

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Poster: TitoGetsCensored Date: Oct 16, 2008 6:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Weir Peak?

Im a Weir basher cuz of the crap he puts out these days....and the rock star he thought he was....without JKerry Garcia Bob Weir would have NEVER been a professional musician (made a living off it)...Neither would any other member of the GD (except Mydland)....But Bob Weir sure was a unique rythm guitar player

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Poster: smgarcia Date: Oct 17, 2008 9:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Weir Peak?

Yea but he's one hell of a singer. Awesome voice. I think he's alright...certainly not a great talent.

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Poster: dirtybuck Date: Oct 16, 2008 8:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Weir Peak?

1983-1985

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Poster: secret8476 Date: Oct 16, 2008 10:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Weir Peak?

Im sure he peaked at the acid trips ... outside of that ... mmmmm .... not sure...

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Poster: Greg Carmack Date: Oct 17, 2008 5:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Weir Peak?

When I first got into the Dead (1970), it was Bobby's unorthodox playing that amazed me above all, and I patterned my own playing after his for a long time. I've also been amazed as the years have gone by at the lack of appreciation for his unique and complex style. When he was 'kicked out' of the Dead, it was not for incompetence per se, but more or less because he wouldn't play RHYTHM guitar in the traditional sense. I recall one of the others saying that Bobby played little 'waterfalls' instead of chucking away on the beat.

In fact, there's never been such a 'rhythm' guitarist in history. He was at his best when he had to bear the heaviest musical load, so he shined brightest before and a little into the Keith era, 1969-1972 IMHO.

This post was modified by Greg Carmack on 2008-10-17 12:05:49

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 17, 2008 7:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Weir Peak?

I like that little waterfall description. Yeah, I am not good at picking them out (boy, there's a topic we beat to death a year or two ago!?), instrument by instrument (ie, at least Bob), but on some of the early tunes when he fits in a little lead, it's quite nice...I just don't know enough to know if it's "good"...and I never really knew why they fired the two of them that fall, or if I did I forgot...they did seem to try out a few other folks (if that's what it was), but funny how it didn't work out...

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Poster: shorthopper88 Date: Oct 17, 2008 5:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Weir Peak?

id say he started doing really interesting playing around 1970, got better and better till his peak, 1977. after that he was still great, but, just like the rest of the deads material (in my opinion) nothing matches 77

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Poster: shorthopper88 Date: Oct 17, 2008 5:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Weir Peak?

this is a link to an interview with bob weir and also it includes what jerry had to say about bob. VERY interesting stuff

http://www.dozin.com/bobs/interview/weir1.html

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Poster: srtg83 Date: Oct 16, 2008 8:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Weir Peak?

June 1991. A significant change in his sound came when he gave up the old Ibanez "Cowboy Fancy" in Fall 1983, Richmond being the first show with the new Modulus Blacknife. From about 1968 to '71 Weir used a Gibson ES-345, until he switched to a Gibson SG. In 1975 or 76, he met Jeff Hassleberger from Ibanez. Bob played an Ibenez guitar until 1983 and specifically the "Cowboy Fancy" from '79-'83. Many have preferred the brighter, sweeter tone of the "Cowboy Fancy" to the metallic tone of the Modulus. Not me, Bob never sounded better than June 1991.

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Poster: ghostofghostofghostofRBNW Date: Oct 16, 2008 9:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Weir Peak?

http://dozin.com/bobs/guitars/index.htm

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Oct 16, 2008 7:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Weir Peak?

1972-1976, for both his playing and singing.

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Poster: kochman Date: Oct 16, 2008 7:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Weir Peak?

1985

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Poster: GratefulRob Date: Oct 20, 2008 11:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Weir Peak?

I'm glad I heard a few guys who also appreciated Bobby's playing. A 'rhythm' guitar is right in the middle of everything, ideally building a sonic structure to support and not stifle the creative heights the band reached. I believe many of their best jams could have fallen apart without bobby weaving a middle matrix to connect and support everyone. That said, plenty of guys can play as well or better than he did, and the one time I met him (Burlington VT in '90) he was kinda a dick-head... but let's stay grateful about the diversity of people and all of Life....

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Poster: sambonk Date: Oct 20, 2008 12:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Weir Peak?

Summer 1990-summer 91 or so...He had this real cool envelope filter that he used quite a bit...very gritty sound in this period!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Oct 17, 2008 10:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Weir Peak?

nobody mentioned it so I'll say it. 1974. His moving to a higher end caused him to be lost in the mix.

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Poster: high flow Date: Oct 17, 2008 10:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Weir Peak?

When you begin to hear Weir's contributions, you begin to hear GD all over again.

By that, I mean this........When you first listen to GD, it's impossible to miss Jerry and the drummers.....later you notice the unique way Phil intertwines his bass riffs.......and lastly, finally...the very rewarding experience of following Bobby through songs you've heard a gajillion times, but never noticed the subtlety and beauty of Bob Weir's skill as a guitarist.

Not just a pretty face(hardy-har), the man can play.

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